# No.1419 (DP)

 No.1419  Daniel Papack (Germany) Original Fairy problems JF-2019/II: July – December’2019

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 No.1419 Daniel Papack & Computer Germany original – 08.07.2019 After No.1414 Solutions: (click to show/hide) neutral Pc7g7 black Ka1 white Kc2 h#2.5         2 solutions         (1+1+2) Neutral pawns c7, g7 Chameleon Chess 1...nPc7-c8=nS 2.nSc8-a7=nB nPg7-g8=nR 3.nRg8-a8=nQ nBa7-g1=nR # 1...nPg7-g8=nQ 2.nQg8-a2=nS nPc7-c8=nB 3.nBc8-a6=nR nSa2-c3=nB # { (C+ by Popeye 4.79)} AUW + cyclic changes, found with the help of the computer by testing all permutations of the neutral pawns on the 7th rank and the wKc1 resp. c2. (Author)

### 9 Responses to No.1419 (DP)

1. Luce says:

Very nice M.Papack !
I don’t see why you add
…with computer ?

Everybody knows that fairy problems cannot be tested without the help of a computer, so it I’d natural to use it.

2. Daniel Papack says:

Dear M. Luce,
The computer did not help by looking at cooks,
it composed the problem! My part was merely to
select the “right” solutions. I did not achieve
any creative work.

3. Luce says:

Dear Daniel,
I think you are too modest.
You use the computer to explore the possibilities in h#n with caméléon and two neutrals pawns and you find this nice position.
When we compose, sometimes we have a precise idea at the beginning, sometimes we explore the possibilities given by the computer.
In each case it is a creation.
A computer cannot see what is nice and was is not !

4. Nikola Predrag says:

Daniel is perhaps too HONEST for modern world, not too modest.
If you find some unsigned paintings or writings hidden somewhere, you might choose the nice ones and present them to the public. But would you say that you’re their author because you ‘saw their beauty’?
Daniel wouldn’t.

But modern society is not about creating a deep original beauty, it’s about creating the publicity for “me, myself and my selfies” 🙁

5. Luce says:

Dear Nikola,
the comparison with “unsigned paintings” is not a very good one. In this case there was an author of the painting even if he is unknown.
The fact is the computer can help us sometimes to find new ideas.
The time to think that computer is a threat for human intelligence is over !

6. Nikola Predrag says:

Dear Sebastian,
can you understand the point?
It’s not about who IS the true author/creator (unknown person or computer), it’s about being aware that I AM NOT.

What is ‘intelligence’, that’s one question, but computer is indeed the threat for human creativity.
It’s obvious from your misunderstanding of ‘creativity’ where “computer can help us sometimes to find new ideas”.

ANYTHING may (and usually does) help us by flashing a sparkle of a new idea. The author creates a whole new world from that sparkle.

Daniel got his ‘sparkle’ from No.1414 and assigned the construction of a new problem to the computer.
That’s probably how Daniel feels and honestly presents.

There is certainly something of his own creativity in clever economical simplification.
No.1414 is a complex creation, it actually looks as a reverse process, as starting from No.1419 and creating an additional new dimension to that ‘world’.

Human creativity is greatest when the resources and tools are scarce.
The fascination with computers’ abilities deadens the human creativity.

7. Luce says:

Dear Nikola,
if I understood you, all the problems with two Kings, two neutral Pawns and one (or more) fairy condition(s) have to be co signed Author(s) + Computer ??!! 😊

8. Nikola Predrag says:

Dear Sebastian,
you didn’t understand me, I’ve said nothing about ‘all problems’ of any kind.

I know (at least I hope) roughly what was my original contribution to a particular creation and what was not.
I can’t know about ‘all problems…’.

Different people have different standards about original creation, especially about their own originality.

9. Seetharaman says:

The joint credit should be attributed to Popeye ☺️