Chameleon Chess: All pieces on the board which are displayed as orthodox Q, R, B, S, are Chameleons. A Pawn can promote only in Chameleon-pieces.
Neutral piece: Belongs to whichever side chooses to use it. It can therefore be moved or captured by White or Black, and in Circe it is reborn according to capture. A King may not be moved onto a square controlled by a neutral piece, because of self-check.
No.1419Daniel Papack & Computer Germany original – 08.07.2019 After No.1414
AUW + cyclic changes, found with the help of the computer by testing all permutations
of the neutral pawns on the 7th rank and the wKc1 resp. c2. (Author)
Very nice M.Papack !
I don’t see why you add
…with computer ?
Everybody knows that fairy problems cannot be tested without the help of a computer, so it I’d natural to use it.
Daniel Papack
July 8, 2019 22:19
Dear M. Luce,
The computer did not help by looking at cooks,
it composed the problem! My part was merely to
select the “right” solutions. I did not achieve
any creative work.
Luce
July 10, 2019 00:25
Dear Daniel,
I think you are too modest.
You use the computer to explore the possibilities in h#n with caméléon and two neutrals pawns and you find this nice position.
When we compose, sometimes we have a precise idea at the beginning, sometimes we explore the possibilities given by the computer.
In each case it is a creation.
A computer cannot see what is nice and was is not !
Nikola Predrag
July 10, 2019 03:07
Daniel is perhaps too HONEST for modern world, not too modest.
If you find some unsigned paintings or writings hidden somewhere, you might choose the nice ones and present them to the public. But would you say that you’re their author because you ‘saw their beauty’?
Daniel wouldn’t.
But modern society is not about creating a deep original beauty, it’s about creating the publicity for “me, myself and my selfies” 🙁
Luce
July 10, 2019 11:35
Dear Nikola,
the comparison with “unsigned paintings” is not a very good one. In this case there was an author of the painting even if he is unknown.
The fact is the computer can help us sometimes to find new ideas.
The time to think that computer is a threat for human intelligence is over !
Nikola Predrag
July 10, 2019 13:14
Dear Sebastian,
can you understand the point?
It’s not about who IS the true author/creator (unknown person or computer), it’s about being aware that I AM NOT.
What is ‘intelligence’, that’s one question, but computer is indeed the threat for human creativity.
It’s obvious from your misunderstanding of ‘creativity’ where “computer can help us sometimes to find new ideas”.
ANYTHING may (and usually does) help us by flashing a sparkle of a new idea. The author creates a whole new world from that sparkle.
Daniel got his ‘sparkle’ from No.1414 and assigned the construction of a new problem to the computer.
That’s probably how Daniel feels and honestly presents.
There is certainly something of his own creativity in clever economical simplification.
No.1414 is a complex creation, it actually looks as a reverse process, as starting from No.1419 and creating an additional new dimension to that ‘world’.
Human creativity is greatest when the resources and tools are scarce.
The fascination with computers’ abilities deadens the human creativity.
Luce
July 10, 2019 16:20
Dear Nikola,
if I understood you, all the problems with two Kings, two neutral Pawns and one (or more) fairy condition(s) have to be co signed Author(s) + Computer ??!! ?
Nikola Predrag
July 10, 2019 18:56
Dear Sebastian,
you didn’t understand me, I’ve said nothing about ‘all problems’ of any kind.
I know (at least I hope) roughly what was my original contribution to a particular creation and what was not.
I can’t know about ‘all problems…’.
Different people have different standards about original creation, especially about their own originality.
Seetharaman
July 10, 2019 22:39
The joint credit should be attributed to Popeye ☺️
Very nice M.Papack !
I don’t see why you add
…with computer ?
Everybody knows that fairy problems cannot be tested without the help of a computer, so it I’d natural to use it.
Dear M. Luce,
The computer did not help by looking at cooks,
it composed the problem! My part was merely to
select the “right” solutions. I did not achieve
any creative work.
Dear Daniel,
I think you are too modest.
You use the computer to explore the possibilities in h#n with caméléon and two neutrals pawns and you find this nice position.
When we compose, sometimes we have a precise idea at the beginning, sometimes we explore the possibilities given by the computer.
In each case it is a creation.
A computer cannot see what is nice and was is not !
Daniel is perhaps too HONEST for modern world, not too modest.
If you find some unsigned paintings or writings hidden somewhere, you might choose the nice ones and present them to the public. But would you say that you’re their author because you ‘saw their beauty’?
Daniel wouldn’t.
But modern society is not about creating a deep original beauty, it’s about creating the publicity for “me, myself and my selfies” 🙁
Dear Nikola,
the comparison with “unsigned paintings” is not a very good one. In this case there was an author of the painting even if he is unknown.
The fact is the computer can help us sometimes to find new ideas.
The time to think that computer is a threat for human intelligence is over !
Dear Sebastian,
can you understand the point?
It’s not about who IS the true author/creator (unknown person or computer), it’s about being aware that I AM NOT.
What is ‘intelligence’, that’s one question, but computer is indeed the threat for human creativity.
It’s obvious from your misunderstanding of ‘creativity’ where “computer can help us sometimes to find new ideas”.
ANYTHING may (and usually does) help us by flashing a sparkle of a new idea. The author creates a whole new world from that sparkle.
Daniel got his ‘sparkle’ from No.1414 and assigned the construction of a new problem to the computer.
That’s probably how Daniel feels and honestly presents.
There is certainly something of his own creativity in clever economical simplification.
No.1414 is a complex creation, it actually looks as a reverse process, as starting from No.1419 and creating an additional new dimension to that ‘world’.
Human creativity is greatest when the resources and tools are scarce.
The fascination with computers’ abilities deadens the human creativity.
Dear Nikola,
if I understood you, all the problems with two Kings, two neutral Pawns and one (or more) fairy condition(s) have to be co signed Author(s) + Computer ??!! ?
Dear Sebastian,
you didn’t understand me, I’ve said nothing about ‘all problems’ of any kind.
I know (at least I hope) roughly what was my original contribution to a particular creation and what was not.
I can’t know about ‘all problems…’.
Different people have different standards about original creation, especially about their own originality.
The joint credit should be attributed to Popeye ☺️