WinChloe

WinChloe

WinChloe — это программа, посвященная шахматным задачам, написанная Кристианом Пуассоном (Christian Poisson, Франция). Программа поддерживает сказочные фигуры, условия, определяет и показывает темы, включает постоянно обновляемую базу данных с более чем 400 тысяч задач. На самом деле очень сильная программа! От себя хочу также добавить, что г-н Пуассон очень быстро отвечает на письма с вопросами! Интерфейс — на английском или французском языках.


Преимущества:

  • поддержка сказочных условий
  • поддержка сказочных условий
  • поддержка сказочных дополнительных условий и их комбинаций
  • определение и показ тем
  • имеет графический интерфейс
  • имеет постоянно обновляемую базу данных с более чем 400 тысяч задач
  • имеет опции для создания выборок по задачам — фильтры и условия
  • имеет возможность копирования диаграмм в виде графики и RTF(для публикаций)
Проблемы, с которыми пользователи встречаются:

  • местами не очень понятный интерфейс без хорошего описания
  • одновременно программу можно использовать только на одном компьютере (если Вы не покупаете больше одной лицензии)
  • в случае зависания самой программы или компьютера может случиться, что программа испортит открытую базу так, что не сможет повторно открыть (рекомендую делать чаще резервные копии!!)

Я хочу показать на примерах некоторые действия, возможные с этой программой, полезные опции и установки. Прошу Вас также оставлять комментарии о том, что интересует — я тогда буду писать об этом подробнее!


Как выгдядит WinChloe?

WinChloe имеет интерфейс на 2-ух языках: английский или французский. Я буду писать об английской версии. Программа имеет 4 основные экрана (или раздела):

  1. Diagram and solution – Диаграмма и решение
  2. Infos – Информация
  3. Chessboard – Шахматная доска
  4. List – Список

и верхнее меню: File, Edition, Filters & Queries, Problems, Auxiliary Tables, Solution, Solving, ?.

Экраны WinChloe

1. Diagram and solution – Диаграмма и решение
Здесь Вы можете видеть уже готовую задачу:
  • – диаграмма
  • – автор, место публикации, условие, близнецы, дополнительные условия, сказочные фигуры
  • – решение
  • – темы, которые определила программа
  • – и некоторые установки в правой части
Для решения задачи – кнопка SOLVE внизу в правой части. Программа пишет решение в центральной части экрана, а найденные темы (которые программа определяет в процессе решения) – в нижней части экрана. Вы можете оставить решение в том виде, в котором написала программа, или можете его отредактировать. Решение после редактирования можно сохранить, так что в следующий раз, когда откроете данную задачу, Вы его снова увидете. Любая информация, которую запишете в поле для решения, может быть сохранена.  Оригинально, решение пишется во французской нотации, но Вы можете использовать верхнее меню  Solution->Translation для ее перевода на английскую нотацию, или FEN, или нотации других языков.

2. Infos – Информация

Это – информативный (или описательный) экран для задачи. В левой части экрана Вы видете свою задачу, а в центральной – поля, которые должны (или могут ) быть заполнены.
Большинство полей – опциональны, хотя, например, Вы можете пожелать ввести имя автора и турнир или место публикации, чтобы при печати видеть его у диаграммы.
Вы должны заполнить поля: Stipulation(условие), количество ходов,  Twins (близнецы – если они у Вас есть), а также Conditions & Fairy pieces (сказочные условия и фигуры, если есть).
Большинство этих полей для заполнения имеют списки значений, из которых можно выбрать нужное.
После заполнения экрана Infos перед переключением на экран Diagram & Solving введенную информацию надо сохранить!

3. Chessboard – Шахматная доска

Это экран для создания и редактирования Вашей задачи. Если Вы создаете новую задачу – диаграмма будет пустой, если редактируете – там будет предыдущая созданная позиция. На диаграмму Вы можете ставить любые фигуры из 3-х комплектов, представленных на этом экране. Не забывайте сохранить позицию перед тем, как перейдете на другой экран!
Для сказочных фигур Вы можете использовать любые фигурки, которые предпочтете, но потом на экране Infos Вам нужно будет для каждого из Ваших обозначений (для каждой неортодоксальной фигуры)  назначить имя сказочной фигуры из списка предлагаемых фигур.

4. List – Список

Это список задач, которые у Вас есть в открытой на данный момент базе данных. Вы можете выбрать в списке любую задачу, а после этого переключиться на другой экран – тогда на нем будет уже выбранная задача – или Chessboard (шахматная доска для редактирования), или Infos (информация о задаче), или Diagram & Solution (диаграмма с решением). В примере на картинке показан список задач в базе данных Echecs DataBase – база, которая поставляется вместе с программой WinChloe, и которая постоянно обновляется. Вы можете видеть здесь номер последней записи – 422418  – это количество задач в базе данных Echecs на апрель-2012.
Рекомендуется для композиции иметь свою собственную базу данных (или несколько баз по темам). А использовать базу данных Echecs  – для запросов – для поиска задач на определенную тему или по другим определенным критериям.

…. under construction ….
coming soon!
…. в процессе разработки ….
продолжение следует!

15 комментариев: WinChloe

  1. SeetharamanSeetharaman пишет:

    The user interface — How does it compare with AP Win?

    • JuliaJulia пишет:

      Oh, it’s a bit complicated question, really! With a time almost any interface becomes familiar. The most of functions the program has – the most of time you need to learn how to use these functions. I haven’t worked with ApWin. I only have installed it and solved one problem to test how it works. WinChloe has more functions, but at the same time it has a lot of things written in French – like fairy pieces, themes, the solution in French notation (with an option to translate it). The first day when I’ve installed WinChloe I had a feeling that it’s impossible to understand what and how to do there.. Now it seems quite clear (at least for the things I need to do). I believe, that functionality is the first thing we need. But the interface is something what can be learned.. I’m afraid I can’t help you to choose here. But if you like ApWin – than use it! I can try to help you if you will have any questions using it. /julia.

  2. Vaclav Kotesovec пишет:

    Dear Julia, very good recension of this excellent program!
    I agree with you that only one instance of program can be used is unfortunately, especially now if program is faster (mutli-core systems can be used) and during solving is access to databases not possible.

    But I not agree that WinChloe has very not friendly user interface. I use WinChloe many years also for composing and entering of pieces is best from all such programs. If I compare WinChloe with Alybadix, Popeye or Gustav, I need shortest time for entering of one problem to program. Therefore I keep collection of all my published problems under WinChloe and also I have separate files with schemes, with originals and with problems sent to magazines. Manipulation with these files is very good.

    Even, if I tested serie of 50-100 originals for Czech magazine “Sachova skladba”, I entered all problems to WinChloe first and then exported part of problems, which is better tested with Alybadix or Gustav. This way is for me faster than enter such problems to these programs directly (of course not in case of one problem, but if such problems is more).

    But I agree that documentation of almost all chess programs (not only WinChloe) is limited and necessary experience get composer after several months. Top programmers have no time for this and I think that generally is better if manuals write other persons than authors.

    • JuliaJulia пишет:

      Dear Vaclav,
      Thank you for good words! Really, I had a big plans what to write about WinChloe, and even have prepared some more screenshots for the future topics. The only problem I have is how to find time for all my plans! 🙂
      About the interface, of course, you’re right that to compare with some other programs it is quite good! Maybe my “not very friendly” is really too much. Still, I believe this is not so easy for a new user to understand how to start, what keys to use in different cases (like [enter] or [->] in adding fairy pieces/conditions, or several authors for one problem, or in making queries etc..). Of course, after some time of experience all of this seems very easy and clear.
      As to me, for now the only problem I have from time to time is to find out the right name for some fairy pieces, conditions, stipulations, as they are different in popeye.

      But there’s another thing which upsets.. In case of some fairy conditions different programs give different solutions. Myself, I test all the problems I receive for the site and for thematic tourney. And some of them are incorrect in case of testing either by WinChloe or by popeye. For now I consider that the problem is C+ in case if it is correct using any of the programs. But what will be the future? I’d dream about some standard for all the programs.

      Myself I use the both – WinChloe and popeye. WinChloe has nice diagrams I use for original problems on the site. But in some cases WinChloe can’t solve some problems – not only because of different solutions with popeye, but also because it is much slower and can’t solve some long-movers, like f.i., it doesn’t solve some hs# problems of more then 5-6 moves at all.. (or maybe it would take many hours). Still, of course, WinChloe has a huge number of fairy pieces, conditions, and problems in Echecs database, and plus it shows themes, and has a great opportunity to make queries! Many plusses!

      For my own composing I mostly use ankona (www.ankona.ch) which uses popeye-solving engine and also shows popeye-input (it can be used for solving locally). It has some plusses and minuses in the interface as well. But I like some options it has – like saving versions of one and the same problem, sharing and copying problems, making them public, and also it is very convenient for me that it is online – as I can have an access to it and to my problems from everywhere, from any computer which is in Internet. I have all my problems in ankona’s database.

      As you said, it is inconvenient sometimes that only one WinChloe instance can be used in one time. Myself I usually don’t really need it in one time, but I can forget to deactivate it at my computer at work, and then can’t use it at home! Have to write to Mr. Poisson in such cases asking “to kill me” (to deactivate my instance from his side), so I could use it on another computer. I’d like to mention here, that noone in “chess-world” answers mails as fast as Christian – thanks to him!!

      You’re absolutely right, that we should be thankful to the programmers of all solving programs we use and shouldn’t aks them for manuals! – they’ve already done (and keep doing!) a great job! I’d like to write some kind of manuals. Have already started and will try to continue. I believe, that I could do it better in case if we all share more knowledges or experiences and questions here, so I could add more things or tricks to the manuals.

  3. Vaclav Kotesovec пишет:

    Several remarks yet:

    1) Yes, it’s pity, that names of fairy pieces in WinChloe are only in French. Occasionally also I must search right French name (which I know only in English or German), but 95% is OK.

    2) About differences in solutions between WinChloe and Popeye you have absolutely right. This is general problem of implementation (and definitions!) of some fairy pieces and conditions. In addition I compare your pair (WinChloe x Popeye) with Alybadix and again – exists chess problems with different outputs from all these programs. Before few years I sent collection of several such problems, which I found, to Petko Petkov. He requires for originals to his columns not only C+ sign, but (from previous reasons) also name of program yet.

    3) In some cases it’s possible synchronize different implementations using additional conditions in WinChloe. Examples:

    ID=232292, (h=6 with Ubi-Ubi) – Popeye and Alybadix solved OK, WinChloe not found solution, but condition “Coups nuls interdits” must be added (then OK).

    ID=305689, Similar problem is with Hamster. In this case Popeye found solution (zero moves are not allowed), but Alybadix and WinChloe not (zero-move allowed). In WinChloe must be added condition “Coups nuls interdits”, then solved OK.

    5) Different implementation (order) of fairy conditions. Examples:

    ID=290882 (Madrasi Rex Inclusiv, Koko and maximummer). Alybadix and Popeye found right solution 1.Kd2 (intended by author), but WinChloe found wrong “solution” 1.Ba3 (and show that 1.Kd2? Ra3!). How Christian wrote in “Comments”, problem is in implementation of order of condtions Madrasi and Koko.

    ID=316160 (Reflex mate + maximummer). Alybadix solved correctly, Popeye (and older version of WinChloe) not found solution. Newer version of WinChloe solved correctly.

    6) It’s very good that in PDB database is item “Computer test” with name (and version!) of program, which was used for test (and in case of long problems is interesting elapsed time yet). It’s pity that such item in WinChloe missing (but it’s possible write remark into field “Comments”).

  4. Vaclav Kotesovec пишет:

    Sorry, I selected from my list only typical examples and paragraph 4 now missing in previous text.

  5. Garth Wallace пишет:

    Perhaps an odd question: are the split figurines (e.g. left half queen, right half knight) in common use? I haven’t seen them anywhere else but in WinChloe and M. Poisson’s 1Echecs font.

    • JuliaJulia пишет:

      I haven’t seen such figures anywhere also as well. But as there’re no standards for the figurine for fairy pieces, any figurines can be used (or programmed). If you send me a WinChloe diagram with such figurines for publication here – I would publish it as it is. If you send it to some magazine – most probably such figurines will be changed to the others, available in the font used.

      • Garth Wallace пишет:

        I was asking because, and this might sound odd, I’m doing a bit of research on chess symbols, particularly symbols in heterodox chess (both fairy problems and variant games). I’m hoping to potentially make a proposal to encode them as characters in Unicode, and I’m trying to determine which ones I can make a good case for.

        • shankar ram пишет:

          At present, Poisson’s 1Echecs is the most comprehensive fairy chess font available.
          In addition to pieces – rotated, neutralised, and halved.. it also has square markings.
          You could use it as a basis for an unicode proposal.
          But maybe this is a job for the WFCC?

        • Georgy EvseevGeorgy Evseev пишет:

          There is quite a small number of fairy pieces that has a standard diagram symbol. I would say that only grasshopper, nightrider and, unexpectedly, equihopper have such symbols.

          It is also more or less traditional now to use any upside-down piece symbols for hopper family.

          So, if you ask me, I would say that minimal set should include every piece in 4 orientations, plus equihopper sign, plus circle piece. Every piece should include 9 forms: (on white square, on black square, separate; black, white, neutral).

          I think that adding to this four interim orientations of knights (with 45 degrees rotations) should generally cover all the fairy chess needs.

          The split figurines look for me more like icing on the cake: I would like to have them, but can live without.

          This is, of course, my opinion.

          • Garth Wallace пишет:

            A case can definitely be made for the three remaining cardinal rotations and the neutrals (the orthodox piece symbols in black and white and the circle are already encoded). I’m less certain about the 45° rotations, which seem very rare. I was asking about the half-pieces earlier because they’d be very problematic from a Unicode perspective, and if they were in common use there’d probably have to be some sort of workaround (like encoding each possible pair separately). But it doesn’t look like they’d be necessary to have a usable set.

            Separate on-light-square and on-dark-square symbols would actually be a tough sell: currently not even the orthodox pieces get separate code points based on square color. I believe the reasoning is that the checkerboard pattern is decorative rather than semantic, and only useful for diagrams, which are 2D and thus outside of “plain text” scope; on the other hand, any font that lacks them is probably unlikely to be used much.

        • Eric HuberEric пишет:

          @Garth Wallace

          If you are interested in fairy problems and variant games, maybe you should have a look at the Japanese version too. They have Shogi pieces and compose Shogi problems, but they are also fond of all sorts of fairy pieces.

          Here is a link to a diagram generator for Problem Paradise and Japanese problemists – they seem to be using UTF-8 encoding:
          http://www.hcn.zaq.ne.jp/___/problem/diagram_generator/diagramSVG.html

          (There is an example with 5 diagrams noted ID1-5 including various fairy pieces.)

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